{"id":10532,"date":"2009-07-31T15:20:31","date_gmt":"2009-07-31T22:20:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/?p=10532"},"modified":"2021-01-06T13:12:56","modified_gmt":"2021-01-06T21:12:56","slug":"the-msia-presidency-talks-about-msia-money-god-advertising-mp3s-windermere-love-death-everything-else-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/archives\/10532-the-msia-presidency-talks-about-msia-money-god-advertising-mp3s-windermere-love-death-everything-else-part-2","title":{"rendered":"The MSIA Presidency Talks About: MSIA, Money, God, Advertising, MP3s, Windermere, Love, Death…& Everything Else \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":" \u00a0 \n

The MSIA Presidency, left to right: Vincent Dupont, Paul Kaye, Mark Lurie.<\/em> <\/p>\n

Part Two of a Three-Part Interview in the New Day Herald (NDH) with MSIA’s Presidency:\u00a0 Paul Kaye (PK), Vincent Dupont (VD) and Mark Lurie (ML).<\/strong><\/p>\n

NDH: So, to me one of the big factors that\u2019s changed over the years has been J-R\u2019s gradual withdrawal from some of the more public aspects of MSIA. How has that affected how MSIA operates?\u00a0\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

PK: Over the past 20-30 years, J-R has trained us in principles that we can easily follow and use as a blueprint in our day-to-day management. J-R is still very much available to us\u2014we can always call and speak with him when it is needed. He is still very present physically and we also very much feel his spiritual presence, and sense that he\u2019s running things spiritually.<\/p>\n

ML: And John Morton has put his body on the line \u2014 he\u2019s taking sharings, doing webcasts, so we have our spiritual director really out there and participating where he\u2019s accessible and people can meet him. There have been ebbs and flows of J-R\u2019s outward participation, but like Paul said, right now we find him very much engaged in the areas where we need him.<\/p>\n

VD: And even at times when it would appear to us that J-R might not be as physically involved, or present with the day to day aspects of the church, he will come with a question or a statement or a direction that makes us aware that he\u2019s totally on top of it, and that he\u2019s got his finger on the pulse in a way that\u2019s even beyond what we can think of. He\u2019s certainly been watching out for us spiritually. Even within the ebbs and flows of his direct involvement it doesn\u2019t seem that he\u2019s ever lost touch with what\u2019s going on.<\/p>\n

ML: And we still get surprised.\u00a0 We thought, well, maybe J-R\u2019s traveling days are over, and then next thing we know he goes to Europe, he goes to South America. So J-R is the international man of mystery.<\/p>\n

PK: We do see it as John-Roger\u2019s church, since the basis of MSIA is John-Roger\u2019s teachings. He\u2019s laid out so much for us through all the seminars and discourses. Our job is to see to it that everything that flows out of MSIA will be based on the foundation that J-R has built.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>And after his body dies, then what happens?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

PK: Well, we honestly don\u2019t know. Who can say? We trust in the guidance of Spirit and that the next Traveler will continue J-R\u2019s teachings just as John is doing right now. And let\u2019s keep I mind that J-R is here with us now.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>Are there preparations being made in the sense of legalities, or in terms of rules and regulations about how to handle the teachings after he\u2019s gone?\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

ML: That\u2019s a good question because I think it hits the most important thing that we\u2019ve recognized in terms of J-R\u2019s transition, and that is we want to make sure we\u2019re clear about how J-R wants his teachings presented after he\u2019s gone. And I think we\u2019ve got a pretty good clarity on that. J-R said that we should preserve the edited materials that he\u2019s put out, that we don\u2019t change them, and so our focus is making sure that we do have good archives and that we\u2019ll be able to perpetuate those. And any additional clarity that we can get, between now and whenever J-R leaves the planet physically is something that we continue to strive for.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>And how about unedited materials\u2014will they be available in a public database?\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

PK: Ultimately, perhaps. The most important thing is the recordings. They are the direct transmission where people can hear directly what J-R said, without any distortion.\u00a0 Even books can distort or interpret because there\u2019s editing involved, and even more so if they\u2019re translated. That\u2019s the luxury we have that was missing at the time of Jesus the Christ\u2019s teachings. Then they were dealing with translations, and what people thought they heard, and his words were recorded way after the event. So the actual oral tradition of the Traveler as a direct line from the Spirit is the vital link in what MSIA is about.\u00a0 What distinguishes MSIA is the direct transmission from John-Roger\u2019s connection with Spirit and with Jesus Christ, who heads MSIA. So going forward, that\u2019s what MSIA will be\u2014a church founded by John-Roger, the basis and foundation being John-Roger\u2019s teachings.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>So. Let\u2019s say, J-R dies tomorrow and you\u2019ve got all this unedited stuff, what happens to it?\u00a0 Who\u2019s in charge of it?\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

ML: Well, if you ask legally or in terms of making preparations, the presidency are the board of directors and the members and the officers.\u00a0 We basically steward the organization. MSIA has all the tapes of J-R\u2019s seminars and we have a mandate from J-R to keep them intact. In terms of the unedited materials, I think that\u2019s still a point to really clarify with J-R.<\/p>\n

PK: We have checked in with J-R several times and the indications that he\u2019s given us make it seem like he\u2019ll be around at least another few years. So, it\u2019s not like this is an emergency, \u201cOh my god what will we do?\u201d But if he did die tomorrow, we would attempt to continue everything in the Spirit and direction of what he\u2019s given us.<\/p>\n

VD: I think in terms of the materials themselves, J-R has been very keen over the years to put out new materials, not to have them gather dust in the library \u2014 he\u2019s actually used those very words. And so you see we keep putting out books and having new CDs and DVDs come out. I think the sort of direction I\u2019ve gathered, even though it wasn\u2019t quite said in those terms, is that once he dies, he doesn\u2019t want us to do anything more in terms of editing and publishing books and other materials. That would be like somebody else interpreting these raw materials and saying, \u201cOkay, here\u2019s a new book by J-R twenty years after he died.\u201d\u00a0 And, in a way, it\u2019s probably why he\u2019s so keen on putting them out now, while he can still shape it, bless it and make sure it\u2019s true to his intention. But the flip side of that is as Paul was saying earlier; we have the luxury of having the raw material that is available now. So whether J-R makes it available or not in the future, that remains to be seen. But the fact that it is available, that there\u2019s a body of work that\u2019s been edited, published, and taped on all the various topics that he\u2019s covered, and there\u2019s the raw stuff that\u2019s still there, that is an incredible gold mine. And to be able to hear J-R in the raw, and to hear him speak, there\u2019s a context and intonation. When I read a transcript and it says one thing, and then I hear it played, I say, \u201cWow! It\u2019s a whole other thing that I could have misinterpreted. There\u2019s a whole other twist to it.\u201d<\/p>\n

ML<\/b>: <\/b>What\u2019s really nice is that there are so many J-R seminars released that are already out there, it\u2019s been spread out all over the world.<\/b><\/p>\n

VD: One thing came out a lot when Betsy Alexander was putting together the Fulfilling Your Spiritual <\/i>Promise book.\u00a0 J-R was very keen on the fact that the teachings are living teachings. They\u2019re alive and they\u2019re constantly evolving and following the Spirit. So even though as soon as you put it into a book format, it\u2019s fixed, that\u2019s only the word level. It says in the introduction to Fulfilling the Spiritual Promise<\/i> to let the book be just a doorway into your own inner knowing and something that allows you to find the way into your own inner wisdom so that you don\u2019t end up using it as a Bible-thumping tool. Like, \u201cBut it says so in the book!\u201d\u00a0 I was having breakfast once with J-R in a hotel and he talked about the fact that every hundred and fifty years or so a Traveler comes along who updates and refreshes the teachings, making them more contemporary. It\u2019s not changing the essence of the teachings, it\u2019s more like updating them according to the times.\u00a0 And that\u2019s something J-R did as part of his job as a Traveler. The words are just the general entry into the teachings so that you can then go into the essence of what is presented to the Spirit speaking inside of you, and then learn in that way. So the whole idea of what happens to the teachings to me can be summed up as hopefully they will continue to be the doorway for people to open into their own Spirit.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>Will there always be a Traveler in MSIA?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

PK: It\u2019s under a spiritual directive, and it\u2019s not a responsibility that has been given to us to say or influence. We deal with what\u2019s present. To think about what would happen in the future, that\u2019s something we have no control over.\u00a0 Our direction is the preservation of J-R\u2019s teachings. And, just to be clear about it, to me it really doesn\u2019t matter. Because there\u2019s been enough put out of the teachings to keep everybody going for years and years. Look how long we\u2019ve been going on Jesus\u2019 teachings and he said, relatively speaking, very little.\u00a0 For the last 40 years or so, J-R has laid out for us the whole map of human consciousness\u2014a way out of the body and into the Spirit. People who are attuned to that will find it, even if they don\u2019t necessarily have a physical contact with a Traveler. If they\u2019re meant to be taken up they\u2019ll find a method\u2014they\u2019ll get what they need.<\/p>\n

ML: It seems pretty clear to us that there are a lot of people who J-R\u2019s working with on this planet who don\u2019t even know that MSIA exists.\u00a0 When I get glimpses into that from comments I have heard J-R make over the years, it helps me get perspective on the big picture.<\/p>\n

VD: There was a great example of that on the Europe trip last summer. One of the airport employees happened to be doing something for us. And J-R told me, \u201cTake good care of him, he\u2019s one of us.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 It was like, what do you mean, J-R? He said, \u201cHe\u2019s one of the Traveler\u2019s.\u201d It was like, \u201cWow! Okay.\u201d\u00a0 And it was very interesting how the whole interaction happened, and how the guy actually went against his superior to assist J-R with a wheelchair when he was told he wasn\u2019t supposed to do that, because he was to go through this whole red tape thing. The guy basically sneaked behind the scenes and provided the wheelchair when he shouldn\u2019t have. He just really took off with the spirit of what was going on. So he had his physical connection with the Traveler, and even though outwardly he may have been the guy pushing around the wheelchairs at the airport that day, it became the way the Traveler chose to connect with him. So there\u2019s a lot more to it than what we see.<\/p>\n

PK: And the Traveler is a consciousness, it\u2019s not a physical body, so what I have understood from J-R is that it actually can also operate through a committed group of people.<\/p>\n

VD: There\u2019s that perennial question about what happens when J-R dies, who\u2019s going to be the next Traveler after John, etc.\u00a0 J-R once said that it could be a group of people and he used an example of the Presidency at the time, saying that when the three of us come together the Traveler consciousness can also come present.\u00a0 So rather than it be one person, it could be more like a group of initiates or the ministerial body, for example. There are many different possibilities. If John or the next Traveler were to say, \u201cI\u2019m going somewhere else,\u201d then it would clearly change the nature of the organization, since a big part of the Traveler\u2019s work is direct transmission of the teachings and being able to give the \u201cWord\u201d through initiation. Under these circumstances MSIA as an organization would change in nature to something more like a foundation or a library. People could still come for the teachings, and perhaps tap into the Traveler and the inner teachings just like you can read the work of a Traveler in a past century and still resonate with it.<\/p>\n

ML: We\u2019re pretty deep into the speculation zone right now.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>So if you had a magic wand and could transform MSIA into anything you wanted, what would it be?\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

PK: In many ways I consider the present situation to be pretty ideal. The wand has already been waved!\u00a0 That we\u2019ve had J-R as long as we\u2019ve had him is somewhat of a miracle from my point of view. I don\u2019t have anything I\u2019d really want to change, and I think partially because it\u2019s spiritually directed and I sense that present now. It\u2019s very alive, no matter how I\u2019m feeling. For example, I may be getting bogged down in administrative details or staff problems\u2014you know just the things that make up daily life. Then I\u2019ll have a morning of MSIA services, the Spirit comes present and everything clears away. The aura balance, polarity balance, or innerphasing is being done by Spirit, because I can\u2019t do those myself. I don\u2019t know how to do them.\u00a0 Or facilitating a PTS workshop. I get in front of the room, and boom, no matter how I\u2019m feeling, no matter what\u2019s happening, Spirit is alive and it\u2019s palpable. If it happened once or twice I could say I was imagining it, but it\u2019s been twenty-five or thirty years it\u2019s still as alive as it was the moment I walked in. And that\u2019s good enough validation for me.<\/p>\n

ML: What I liked about the question that you just asked, is it made me realize that we don\u2019t really have a lack for anything. We have fantastic facilities, great people we work with, we have good equipment, wonderful programs. I don\u2019t see anything where there\u2019s a big opportunity for change or a need for change. Obviously you could always replace a carpet here or there or do something like that, but I really like the way we currently support the Traveler\u2019s students and make the teachings available.<\/p>\n

VD: There\u2019s always the need to keep up with the times, like with technology and the media. I would add for myself that at the time something\u2019s going on I might think that\u2019s not the way I would do it.\u00a0 But, in retrospect, I see what\u2019s happened over the years and I realize how perfect it was, including for my own learning and growth. So these days it\u2019s a lot easier to do my best to see it that way as it\u2019s actually happening, and say, \u201cYou know, I don\u2019t quite get it right now, but I know there\u2019s a point in there somewhere.\u201d\u00a0 Spirit comes present time and time again without fail, when we do services, when we do events and or even when we call in the Light to handle a particular situation. It is just so mind-boggling and it\u2019s just so consistent that I wonder why I still ask myself, \u201cOh my God I wonder what\u2019s going to happen?\u201d What am I doing? I don\u2019t need to know what\u2019s going to happen. I know that it\u2019s mine to cooperate with the best I can. And one of the recent of examples of the past year is when it comes to staffing. Sometimes we\u2019re in a situation of, \u201cOh my God what\u2019s going to happen when so-and-so leaves? How are we going to replace them?\u201d Or they leave and we don\u2019t have anybody. And without fail, the right person shows up in the right timing and in perfect ways. And it\u2019s like, what was I worried about?\u00a0 So even in a very practical way, that spiritual presence is there directing and orchestrating things. It\u2019s a very palpable thing and a very practical thing.<\/p>\n

ML: I thought more about it and there are two things that come to mind. One is that if I could wave a magic wand that people would know more of the inner teachings of MSIA, which is what the outer form is there to support.\u00a0 And I\u2019d love to be playing volleyball with J-R at an Arrowhead retreat again.<\/p>\n

VD: Or riding horses at Windermere.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>I\u2019ll ask the same question about Windermere\u2014if you had a magic wand and could transform Windermere, what would it be?\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

ML: Well, if you\u2019re truly saying just ask for the grocery store, it would be fantastic if we could build a beautiful retreat center up there. That\u2019s not in the cards with the present neighborhood zoning and all that.\u00a0 With that said, we actually have some pretty cool things starting to move up there. We\u2019re going to be adding goats to the property and we love the possibilities of what that could bring forward. The practical reason is to bring the goats is to clear the brush, but what comes from having goats on the property is to have a new type of livestock and interaction possibilities for people, and maybe for them to milk the goats, and things like that. Also, Andrew Baillie has been heading up the creation of an organic garden and we\u2019re really interested in seeing how that develops.\u00a0 We want to support that.<\/p>\n

VD: And we\u2019re planning orchards too.<\/p>\n

ML: So after things have been kind of dormant at Windermere for a long time we\u2019re actually starting to see some movement.\u00a0 We are allowed to do agricultural activities on the property and have visitors.<\/p>\n

VD: In many ways probably what Mark was just talking about is finding ways to bring people to the land and have more reasons for people to come to Windermere. And I think that\u2019s part of the mission for Windermere as a place of peace and as a place of healing\u2014 for people to come to the land and both to bring their Light and to receive of it.<\/p>\n

ML: We haven\u2019t figured Windermere out yet, but one thing we\u2019re clear about is, J-R has a focus on it. That hasn\u2019t wavered.<\/p>\n

PK: He has definitely indicated that it is his ministry. And reading between the lines of J-R\u2019s sharings on Windermere over the years, I really think that it is for another time and another generation of MSIAers. We are just stewards doing our best in the meantime. Its greater use is still to be revealed.<\/p>\n

VD: I remember over the years J-R saying, \u201cThe land will tell us what it wants, and what to do with it.\u201d And in a way it feels like we may have come into a greater cooperation with that recently. For many years \u00a0IIWP had these great plans with the CUP [the Conditional Use Permit that is legally required to have a retreat center] which we think was great and it would have been fantastic. And even though we went to great lengths to make it something that\u2019s compatible with the land and environmentally sound, it still didn\u2019t go. So we asked ourselves what can we do within what is currently allowed without the CUP. Only recently did it seem that we worked out things like the goats and the orchard, which use the resources as they are. Many things then came together and we realized that we can do all these things already. We don\u2019t have to get special permits. And little by little it\u2019s taking on a life of its own, which is really great. A great example of that is the recent fires in Santa Barbara, where everything around started to burn to the ground, and the fires stopped at Windermere because we had taken care of the land in a way that J-R had encouraged.\u00a0 And it was so exemplary that it became like a textbook case. And it seemed to unlock something. It\u2019s not like we\u2019re vindicated in any kind of againstness, but more like we know we\u2019re on a good track, so let\u2019s keep going in that direction and see where it goes. And then these things get resolved one after another. How do we keep the land clear? Well go with the goats, it\u2019s natural and it\u2019s much cheaper.\u00a0 It seems to have a natural organic progression, which is also very much matches how we\u2019ve seen J-R work over the years.\u00a0 It\u2019s seems like everything he\u2019s done has followed a very organic process The process seems to take a life of its own.<\/p>\n

NDH<\/b>: <\/b>I ask you the same question about Peace Labyrinth and Gardens.\u00a0 If you wave a magic wand and make it anything you want?\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

ML: Well for me, maybe just a little bit more popular in terms of people coming here to have a spiritual experience of MSIA.<\/p>\n

VD: I think it\u2019s pretty darn good. To me we\u2019ve really come to point where it\u2019s fulfilled a lot of the vision we\u2019ve had for it. And, the main thing as Mark said, more people coming to enjoy it would be the next step. And there\u2019s a fairly new development of having our guest house dedicated for guests staying at Prana. That usually happens around conference, and DSS and MSS weekends and so on. And we\u2019re going to be using it for the PAT trainings coming up in the summer. So it\u2019s really happening, and to me it would be great to have more people coming to enjoy Prana year round and touching in to the Spirit that\u2019s here.<\/p>\n

PK: What\u2019s with this magic wand thing? I think you have been watching too much Harry Potter. We renovated Prana and the grounds to be utilized, we have created the space for people to come, and more people are definitely coming. We just got a write up in a Los Angeles Magazine, in a section about \u201coases in Los Angeles.\u201d Interestingly, we actually have used the words \u201coasis in the city\u201d to describe Peace Awareness Labyrinth and Gardens.\u00a0 It\u2019s hard to believe that we\u2019re in central L.A. and right now we are all looking out at the gardens and even hearing the birds. Once again, the Traveler waved the wand and this is what was created. And it is kind of magical.<\/p>\n

VD: We have a lot of people come through for the Spa days and the different events. And we had a memorial service on Sunday for 100 or 150 people. And so the place is used and has many activities and people are coming.<\/p>\n

PK: One thing that all three of us share is how excited we get when someone new comes into MSIA\u2014even if it\u2019s just one person!\u00a0 We\u2019re still really into our jobs. We\u2019re not jaded at all, we are thrilled to see a new face. It is always so interesting to find out how people find out about us.<\/p>\n

ML: It\u2019s like welcoming someone into something that we know and love and somebody else has recognized that too.\u00a0 That\u2019s one of the most satisfying things that happen to us.<\/p>\n

PK: We have the structure, and we are active in putting the word out there. We are planting seeds. Even the Spiritual Warriors movie is a form of seeding where J-R charged it so the DVD can be used at a seminar. It\u2019s another of way getting the teachings out there, another seed that\u2019s being planted. We don\u2019t know how which one is going to sprout, or when.<\/p>\n

VD: We make it a point to stay with the times, and to keep up with technology. Mark was on top of the Internet when it came along and put us ahead of the curve on that. We started webcasts pretty much at the beginning of when that technology became available.\u00a0 And we\u2019ve been active with email classes. Now PTS is starting to evolve live classes on the web with Julie Lurie taking the lead on this. There are MSS classes being facilitated remotely through the Internet in Canada, with the facilitators being in Los Angeles and John Morton taking sharing remotely. We recently started MSIA groups on Facebook and Twitter.\u00a0 Zoe Golightly has really run with Twitter.\u00a0 And Zoe and Debbie Roth have really gotten great MSIA participation on Facebook.\u00a0 We\u2019re exploring new avenues on the Internet to do more of that. We\u2019ve completed the new online store and we\u2019re in the process of redesigning the main MSIA website with the new version coming out at the end of the year.\u00a0 When we talk in terms of more participation we don\u2019t go after market share like a traditional business would but we certainly make sure that within the mission of making the Traveler\u2019s teachings available we stay up to date. Further examples are that we have begun making the teachings available in the MP3 downloadable formats, and e-books are now available through the MSIA website, with e-Discourses to soon follow.<\/p>\n

NDH: So same question about Prana West\u2014if you had a magic wand and could make Prana West anything you wanted it to be…\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

PK: We have been blessed to be able to renovate it so beautifully. Now, it\u2019s just a question of getting the usage out of it. We had PAT Trainings there in July. They were our most successful, in terms of enrolment, for many years. People loved them. We\u2019re already having MSS classes at Prana West, so it is being well utilized already.\u00a0 We also have a property at Lake Arrowhead that has an attraction for the younger people in MSIA. A PAT at Arrowhead for the 18-35 year-olds, plus the young at heart is in the planning stages for 2010.<\/p>\n

ML: Prana West is fully occupied and the PTS offices are there.\u00a0 It\u2019s great.<\/p>\n

PK: The purpose of the meditation gardens and the labyrinth wasn\u2019t just to build nice landmarks, it was so people could come and enjoy it, and above all get the spiritual experience and attunement to the Traveler\u2019s energy that is here in abundance. And that is happening and we\u2019re very happy about it.<\/p>\n

VD: And people come who do come, do get that. We get tremendous feedback from people who come, so it\u2019s fulfilling its purpose. And the more people who come to partake of the blessings the better.\u00a0 That\u2019s the intention that we\u2019re working.<\/p>\n

End of Part 2.\u00a0 Click Here for Part 3<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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