{"id":109628,"date":"2020-01-23T17:49:12","date_gmt":"2020-01-24T01:49:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/?p=109628"},"modified":"2020-01-24T15:58:49","modified_gmt":"2020-01-24T23:58:49","slug":"going-home-with-the-traveler-an-interview-with-yvonne-mochel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/archives\/109628-going-home-with-the-traveler-an-interview-with-yvonne-mochel","title":{"rendered":"Going Home with the Traveler — An Interview with Yvonne Mochel"},"content":{"rendered":"

Yvonne Mochel ( at right) with Patti Rayner and Russell Bishop (c.<\/em>\u00a0 1978)<\/p>\n

Long-time MSIA minister and initiate, Yvonne Mochel, was introduced to John-Roger in the early days of the Movement.\u00a0 MSIA minister, Jackie Peterson, interviewed Yvonne as part of a project to compile stories from elders in MSIA. This article is excerpted from that interview.<\/em><\/p>\n

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JP: What year did you first become involved in the teachings?<\/p>\n

YM: I believe it\u2019s the end of 1967. I don\u2019t have any documentation that is written down as to what year it was.<\/p>\n

But I believe that\u2019s correct. It\u2019s \u201867, \u201868.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: And what was going on in the world and in your life at that time?<\/p>\n

YM: I was married, had a young daughter. I was in the adventure of a mother having a family. And I wasn\u2019t real focused on political events. I have a personality of a Cancer, so having a home and a family to cook for and a daughter to sew clothes for, I was just a very happy camper in that environment. And then we became interested in flying saucers. I really don\u2019t know what drew us into that. I didn\u2019t have all that much interest in physical flying saucers, but I did have an interest in what they were sharing.<\/p>\n

I was in my early 30\u2019s when I met J-R.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: And what was it that made the Teachings attractive to you?<\/p>\n

YM: The presence of the Christ. When J-R spoke, the Christ came present. And I had known the Christ through my life and through my upbringing. To me, the energy of the Christ made all things new. There just wasn\u2019t anything like it. It\u2019s like the Christ makes all things new. When J-R spoke I experienced that presence.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: And what was it that made you recognize the presence of the Christ in John-Roger?<\/p>\n

YM: I was raised in Christian Science, and the way that religion is set up, there\u2019s weekly lessons, and they come from quotations in the Bible, and quotations from a book named Science and Health<\/em> which was written by Mary Baker Eddie.<\/p>\n

Each day in school we\u2019d read in the Bible and we\u2019d read in Science and Health<\/em> and focus on that. I went to a school for Christian Scientists. Two years of high school and four years of college. To me personally, Christ is the healer, and in Christian Science they relied on God to heal. That was their intent. And I saw it demonstrated so many ways. with so many people. To me that was the Christ. When the Christ came present, there was healing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: So you saw the same healing energy with John-Roger.<\/p>\n

YM: Yes, that\u2019s the Christ. And I did have healing. The day after we went to see a J-R Seminar, I was just going in and out of my body to the ceiling and down and I looked as though I was out altogether. But I knew healing was taking place because at my daughter\u2019s birth I had kidney failure. And they didn\u2019t think the doctor could save me, but he was able to. So that experience was the last of the healing that needed to take place from that kidney failure.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: And you knew it as it was taking place?<\/p>\n

YM: I did. I did. And because my husband didn\u2019t quite understand what was going on, he called the people who invited us and he said: “who\u2019s this person that we went to see?” And so that evening John-Roger phoned us and he said: \u201cI hear you\u2019re trying to reach me.\u201d So we both got on the phone and he did verify that healing was going on. And of course I was very grateful for that. It wasn\u2019t that I felt sick or ill, but I just knew that that\u2019s what was taking place.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Wow. Are there any guiding principles or concepts in the Teachings that particularly stand out for you or that have helped guide you through life?<\/p>\n

YM: I would say that the gift J-R gave me — coming into the Movement when I did — he gave me the gift of… you know that statement \u201cGod is in heaven and all is right with the world?\u201d That\u2019s a very child\u2019s verse kind of statement, but in reality that\u2019s what he gave me.<\/p>\n

Through his Seminars and sharing, everything in the world had its place. It\u2019s like it\u2019s all perfect here and he was able to explain it in ways that were so clear and logical. And it filled me with so much gratitude that finally some of the things I couldn\u2019t understand about the human planet were all very clear. And it was all very perfect. It expanded me in my beingness in a way that nothing else could have. You know there\u2019s a saying like \u201cthe only game in town.\u201d There isn\u2019t anything except the Traveler energy that could have done that, that could have given me that experience. It wasn\u2019t intellectual. It was God speaking, it was God presenting. The perfectness. Everything suddenly had a place.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: So what about now?<\/p>\n

YM: I would say now I\u2019m having the opportunity to receive those gifts more fully, and in more places in my consciousness that I really thought I was not going to have the opportunity to change in this lifetime. And while I had the opportunity to do many trainings, like the first Insight and all of these pioneering efforts, there were certain things that just never moved. So I said, \u201cokay in this lifetime this is what Spirit has for me.\u201d<\/p>\n

Now it\u2019s like there is nothing outside of anything I created — in any lifetime in any circumstance — that is outside of my love, my loving, my acceptance, my gratitude. Unconditional loving has become a reality in a way that I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve fully experienced in the way I\u2019m experiencing now.<\/p>\n

When I retired I shifted my life, like from AC to DC. The parts of me that were hidden away and locked away in childhood were…the Light was shown on them, and they were able to come out of the closet, literally. I had experiences of being put in the closet at nursery school. And it\u2019s been a learning. And in that learning, it\u2019s taught me not to be afraid of what life presents. And that God\u2019s in all of it.<\/p>\n

We know from the Soul, looking from the Soul, that it\u2019s all perfect. But actualizing that — a good day with everything up and wonderful, and a bad day where you\u2019re grumpy and things happen, you break a dish or whatever — that it\u2019s all the same. What a concept. It\u2019s all the same. And I\u2019m getting to experience that bliss of God in everything, and there really is no separation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Wow. Thank you. How would you describe the impact of Discourses to you?<\/p>\n

YM: That\u2019s the one way that I experience as though the Traveler would come in and sit with me or be present with me. It is almost like, if I want to go to the Traveler or I want to call him up, the Discourses are the one thing that connect me and it\u2019s not in blinding flashes or mystical experiences or euphoria or any outer kind of trappings. It\u2019s in the simple presence of reading his words. I have them on my computer, which I do love because I can make the print any size I want, and I can roll the screen. It\u2019s like talking to the Traveler. And I know people have said — and of course I think everybody has had the experience — that it\u2019s like you can read the same Discourse and have an entirely different experience than the next time you read it. So it has, in a way, not the word content necessarily fully at all. It\u2019s the experience of the Traveler and how he\u2019s speaking to you at the time you\u2019re reading the Discourse. So it\u2019s a very alive thing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Do you have that same experience with the Soul Awareness tapes?<\/p>\n

YM: No, I don\u2019t. So that\u2019s interesting. The audio versus reading. It\u2019s not the same experience. So a SAT tape is like sitting in a Seminar. A Discourse is not like sitting in a Seminar. It\u2019s like J-R\u2019s talking to me. And a SAT tape is like a recording of a Seminar that I have sat in at some point. And I understand that it is a Seminar and, as such, then he\u2019s present. The Christ through him is present, the Holy Spirit. They\u2019re all present. But I do believe that I get caught up in the format of a Seminar. Because as I hear a recorded Seminar, he\u2019s speaking to all the consciousnesses that are present in the room. So it\u2019s not about any kind of intellectual understanding or theme. It\u2019s like \u201cit is what it is.\u201d I will have places in the SAT tape that make a connection, and then there\u2019s parts in the Seminar that are just \u2014 he\u2019s talking. Reading a Discourse I can pretty much guarantee that at any one time that connection\u2019s made. I don\u2019t know how. But in a SAT tape, I don\u2019t have any guarantee that it will be made.\u00a0 But,\u00a0 that tells me that I\u2019m listening to it on the mental level and, I think, not realizing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: What was your impression when you met J-R physically and how did it change over time?<\/p>\n

YM: My first impression was he\u2019s a very ordinary man. I\u2019m in a group and I don\u2019t know who he is. I don\u2019t know what he does. He begins, as he used to, with contributions. And I still don\u2019t know the theme. I\u2019m just there. And then he starts talking, and I don\u2019t know at what point, but at a point, it\u2019s like the Christ is here. It didn\u2019t make me put him on a pedestal or separate him out, but it drew me in to the Christ. In other words, if you experienced the Christ I think you follow that, well, “see you later” isn\u2019t one of the things you do. You know what I\u2019m saying? So my experience was then I could not get enough of hearing him speak. He was doing Seminars in several parts of Los Angeles, almost every night he was doing a Seminar.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Actually for two or three years he did Seminars six or seven nights a week.<\/p>\n

YM: I was then also transcribing in the beginning because they weren\u2019t recording the Seminars. We were recording them. And I had the tape at home, and so I was transcribing. So if I wasn\u2019t in the room listening, I was home transcribing what he was saying. What he said \u2014 and again almost it wasn\u2019t what he said, it was the presence that came present when he came present. I think just about anybody you interview will have the same experience. It wakes you up to a place that you know inside of you. And no one\u2019s awakened it in quite the way it\u2019s awakened in the presence of the Traveler.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Well if no one has said this to you for a long time, I want to personally thank you for doing all of those recordings and the transcribing because we would not have those early Seminars if you and Marvin hadn\u2019t done that.<\/p>\n

YM: It was like Spirit\u2019s \u2014 this is the opportunity — the willingness to do whatever we could. I do understand it has been my opportunity in this life to be a pioneer and go in when something\u2019s new, and hold for it until people come that can establish the energy and ground it. Somebody needs to hold. So I\u2019m the holder of that. And that was true before I even came into the Movement.<\/p>\n

So to do that in relation to the Seminars and the transcribing and all, it did come naturally to me. That is kind of how I\u2019m built to express. See it\u2019s not a mental thing. It\u2019s not intellectual, it\u2019s not: \u201cOh I\u2019ve got the skills to research how to do the sound.\u201d It has nothing at all to do with that. It\u2019s very organic inside of me. It\u2019s like you just step up to the plate. You can do it. No one else quite gets it, so you\u2019re there getting it. Until they wake up and they get it, and then off it goes. I think that\u2019s what pioneers do. And sometimes it\u2019s a lonely place, not in relation to MSIA, but I\u2019m grateful I have the opportunity to have that talent in relation to MSIA.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Are there any inner experiences of the Traveler that come to mind?<\/p>\n

YM: Ok, here’s what came to mind.\u00a0 Russell Bishop and John-Roger were sitting together presenting information, I think maybe doing questions and answers in a room that was very large and full of people. They\u2019re answering questions that people have, so it must have been Insight related in some way or other. At one point — I don\u2019t know if J-R said it or I got it inwardly — but he has said this: \u201cI\u2019m the only game in town. If you want Soul Transcendence then this is what you do \u2018cause I\u2019m the only one here that can do that.\u201d But I got it.<\/p>\n

And Russell \u2014 I think I was working at Insight at that time and Russell was my boss — he saw me and he called on me, kind of like, \u201cYvonne what\u2019s going on?\u201d And I stood up and I shared the awareness of that. That this energy, this gift that is being given to us through the Traveler, through John-Roger, is the “only game in town.” And Spirit came through the room. And everybody cried. We were all crying. And Russell was even tearing up. And J-R said I was just holding onto my seat. I so honor the gift that the Traveler just kept extending and extending and extending, and in so many ways. He set up so many avenues for that energy to go into the world. And then when he left, it was even more present.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Are there any positive experiences around seeding that you could share?<\/p>\n

YM: Well you know I would consider this a positive experience. When I heard at one point J-R saying tithing was a spiritual law, suddenly it was no longer a choice. It\u2019s like \u201coh, okay. It\u2019s like oxygen is down on the planet and so is gravity. So tithing is a spiritual principle.\u201d Seeding took a little longer for me \u2014 like he didn\u2019t say seeding was a spiritual law, so it didn\u2019t come in that way. But it\u2019s the gratitude, it\u2019s the acknowledgement, it\u2019s the partnership. It\u2019s the fellowship with Spirit. It\u2019s almost a way of erasing the separation of the non-physical Spirit filling everything and I\u2019m down here in this one little body. And yet, we\u2019re partners.\u00a0 How does all that work? Seeding is, to me, the physical manifestation of the opportunity for Spirit to give back. And then however it does it, or however much you seed,\u00a0 isn\u2019t in the domain of \u201cit has to be a certain way.\u201d It is what it is.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know the name of the Seminar, but there is a Seminar where J-R talks about when you place a seed it\u2019s as though the waves part. Whatever needs to take place will take place for that seed. He does a Seminar about it and some of the examples are really mind opening for people. A person had to go to Europe for the health of a parent that was there.\u00a0 And the mountains that got moved for that to take place it was like, well, there\u2019s no human planning that could have orchestrated that. It was like Moses parting the waves. And he said that\u2019s because you planted the seed that it all had to take place. And it gave me a very humble appreciation of when you ask Spirit through a seed. It\u2019s like, then, to acknowledge what you\u2019re asking.<\/p>\n

I do believe, probably for me, it was the “can\u2019t consciousness” at first, because in the beginning I had a seed of doubt, and it\u2019s like, then you\u2019re planting that too. I was aware of that, so I was not open for seeding because I did not want to create that part.<\/p>\n

So it\u2019s come to where it is a place of gratitude, and it is. In the beginning I don\u2019t think I really understood that. I was still in a mental concept of the whole process. But when it moved out of that…to me it\u2019s grace. I have the outpouring of gratitude that I can even do it. That I even could seed. And I love that you can go on the computer and place a seed for someone in this beautiful format. That you could just do it. One of the girls at USM turned me onto that when I worked there, because I didn\u2019t know it was available. She\u2019d say, \u201cyou know if I need something right away I just seed for it. I go on the computer and I put the money in.\u201d I said \u201cWow.\u201d She said, \u201cYeah it doesn\u2019t take long, I just do it.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s one of the nice things that the Internet gives to me. \u2018Cause everything\u2019s so at your disposal on the Internet if you know how to get to it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: What is the driving force behind your continued involvement with MSIA?<\/p>\n

YM: What is the driving force? The awareness that the Soul says it\u2019s time to go home and the Traveler is the vehicle. It\u2019s Soul Transcendence.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: What was the reason behind initiation and ordination for you? And what differences did you notice in your life since?<\/p>\n

YM: When I got initiated, J-R was doing individual tones for people,\u00a0 Later he shifted that in order to work with more people. Initiation and ordination? He did suggest that I get ordained. He made the suggestion. He may have also made a suggestion about initiation. Because this was very new. There weren\u2019t a lot of people. You had more access to just being with him, speaking with him. It was a much more informal kind of thing.<\/p>\n

I do know though — from taking the Travelers Through the Ages class — that I\u2019ve been with Travelers before. This is not my first time to be with the Traveler. So it\u2019s perfect how it is. And I think I have gratitude for both initiation and ordination.<\/p>\n

It took me two years to understand the first line of my ministerial blessing, which is: \u201cWhen you walk on the path of the Beloved, the needs of the world meet themselves.\u201d And I didn\u2019t understand what that meant. What do you mean it meets themselves? It took me two years to understand that. It was a process. It was a process of unfolding. All the while I\u2019m of service, and I\u2019m doing everything I can to support his ministry. But I wasn\u2019t having these mystical revelations, or blinding lights, or any of this experience of that kind. I don\u2019t think I was expecting them, either. It wasn\u2019t, \u201cwhere are they?\u201d I thought that maybe I was a slow learner.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Do you know what year you were initiated, or what year you were ordained?<\/p>\n

YM: I think \u201874 was my ordination. And I don\u2019t know the initiation date.\u00a0 I don\u2019t have my ordination tape, I have no idea why I don\u2019t. Because I do have old tapes. Very old tapes. J-R did do my ordination, and he did it in one of the little rooms he had in Baldwin Hills. It was a small room and it had a chair swing. He was in it. That\u2019s where he was, in this swing. Afterwards he jumped up and he went over to the wall thermostat and he said: \u201cWell the room went up ten degrees.\u201d And it\u2019s like, what does that mean? I would never have had the presence of mind to ask him. And I just thought, \u201cWell maybe the energy came in and I wasn\u2019t able to hold it as well, and he held it for me, and that\u2019s what made the room\u2019s temperature go up.\u201d<\/p>\n

At the end of my blessing it says: \u201cYours is not necessarily a verbal ministry. It\u2019s one of holding in the peace of God\u2019s consciousness in the silence.” I spoke with Johnny (Morton) at Asilomar, he was just sharing with me. He said: \u201cYou have a silent ministry.\u201d To me, that\u2019s more about a doing ministry, just doing behind the scenes. And I truly do have that. So I think I\u2019ve learned a lot about my ministry. I have a lot of gratitude for it, and I feel that it is kind of a road map for us that Spirit\u2019s given. It\u2019s been a press over the years to go further in, further in. And I think I could go further in still because it is a blessing. And it\u2019s just like picking up a Discourse. There\u2019s a freshness in it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: In your ministry?<\/p>\n

YM: Yes. And in everybody\u2019s I think. Spirit\u2019s right in there.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: So what differences have you noticed in your life since your initiation?<\/p>\n

YM: Oh, well the awareness that the Soul wants to go home. That it\u2019s contracted this as the time to lift above and establish off the wheel of incarnation, and just reestablish in the line of going home to God. I\u2019m just saying what comes present, but what comes present is J-R said: \u201cI\u2019m here as the garbage collector.\u201d He said, \u201cyou just have to give me the garbage.\u201d So part of the process is just letting go of all that isn\u2019t us, that isn\u2019t who we are, under whatever context we\u2019ve designed that it is.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Have you had any miraculous experiences you could share?<\/p>\n

YM: I wonder what a miraculous experience means. I think when I first met J-R and I kept going in and out of the body, and up to the ceiling and back down, and I was swirling up and down, and knowing that I was being healed. I thought of that as a miraculous experience \u2014 in other words, something in Spirit was doing that. I was not doing that, it was Spirit doing that. I think miracles in a way are defined by \u201cwe of ourselves can\u2019t do that.\u201d Something\u2019s done something for us that we can\u2019t do, and we can\u2019t really explain it.<\/p>\n

Yes I know I\u2019ve had other miraculous experiences and I cannot think of one. But at the same time, I feel like that\u2019s very private and that\u2019s probably why I can\u2019t think of one. In a way, I think some of the miracles have just been:\u00a0 God\u2019s here, the Traveler\u2019s here.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve seen so many what I would call miracles at USM and in Insight — in the vehicles that were J-R\u2019s ministry — people were just, you know, it\u2019s like so much karma was lifted. It was lifted, it was gone. Those are miracles. They\u2019re miracles to us because he\u2019s the garbage collector,\u00a0 just give him the garbage. That\u2019s his job, take it up. He wants to take it up. So he created vehicles for healing in such \u2014 I mean just every way that people ask for or could do. He would do it. He set it up. The innerphasing…I remember the first time he talked about innerphasing. I said, \u201cOh boy I\u2019m going to get one of those,\u201d and I knew just the theme I was going to have it on. I think miracles are ordinary when you are living with Spirit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: Yeah, I would say “amen” to that.<\/p>\n

YM: Yeah, yeah. So…don\u2019t separate yourself from that. That\u2019s part of who you are, that\u2019s part of God being with you…and so much gratitude.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: What has been the most valuable thing from your involvement with MSIA or the Teachings?<\/p>\n

YM: You know what comes to mind is that I\u2019m going home. Is there anything more valuable than that? I don\u2019t know. Yeah, that is the most valuable.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: That makes me think of another question that comes from me personally \u2014 have you been with someone when they were passing into Spirit? Like another minister-initiate in MSIA?<\/p>\n

YM: Kenny Jones. Ken Jones had quite a journey for his passing. And he left in a very conscious place. Before he left he couldn\u2019t really walk. He couldn\u2019t do much of anything, he knew his body was pretty totally invaded with stuff that wasn\u2019t going to change. And yet they were still taking care of him, feeding him well, and he said: \u201cYou know I can\u2019t move out of this place. And I am the happiest man. I am so happy to be here on this planet.” It was really the honest outpouring of his heart. His physical body was not available to him. And he was so grateful to be right where he was, to be in a body that didn\u2019t work, just so grateful and so full of joy just to be.<\/p>\n

I remember sitting in his room, I think the night before or the day before he passed, as one of the Light-bearers that come and hold the Light.\u00a0 We were friends, we were going to retire together, we had even checked out places that Gale Honeycutt and Kenny and Carol and I could all retire to.\u00a0 So we had a wonderful connection.<\/p>\n

I got to experience the place he was in…that being in the physical is such a privilege. Such a privilege. And that was my big challenge. I didn\u2019t understand that at all. I didn\u2019t have experiences of that at all. And he gave me the most full experience of what a privilege it is. And here\u2019s a person who can\u2019t move. And I\u2019ve read stories of people since then, whose circumstances have brought them to that place where literally they cannot move, and yet they are so filled with joy. It\u2019s like, not being able to move a physical body does not interfere with the joy they have at being physically present. So it wasn\u2019t about the thrill of seeing someone\u2019s Spirit leave — which must be transformational in a way just to have that experience — it was the gift of being here.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s one of those things I\u2019ll never forget. It\u2019s with me in a place that was just such a gift. And I\u2019m so grateful that we did that. I think that\u2019s one of the nicest things that J-R provided. That people could come and chant and hold for people as they leave the physical body. And I remember when Steve Small\u2019s partner Allen Ross left, I was very dedicated to supporting him all the way through. And I stayed overnight chanting one night. It was like I was very determined to be there. And then it was like, I don\u2019t have to hold until he actually leaves the body.\u00a0 There was a group of us, it wasn\u2019t just a few. At the same time, it was almost like he\u2019s in two places at once.\u00a0 And that was really \u2014 that was a privilege, too.\u00a0 That\u2019s one of the things I have a lot of gratitude for that J-R gave us.\u00a0 The ministry is wonderful, but I think for the recipient it must also be really wonderful. I hope when I leave the planet that I\u2019ll have that opportunity to have a Light circle around me too and chant.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

JP: So before we finish up, is there anything else you\u2019d like to share or add?<\/p>\n

YM: J-R knew who his people were. He knew who his initiates were. And he gathered them up around the world. He did initiations with people who probably didn\u2019t know that\u2019s what was happening.\u00a0 Jesus in his lifetime, he traveled. They don\u2019t talk very much about that, but he traveled. He went to the mystery schools all over the world. They did all kinds of things. Because it\u2019s not in the Bible, many people don\u2019t really focus on it, but I\u2019m so grateful to be aware of that, to know that, and to have the experience of seeing other Travelers knowing that the planet itself is being taken care of.\u00a0 \u00a0All the life forms on the planet are being taken care of, and all the beings on the planet are too. And it\u2019s not from some Pollyanna statement out of the Bible, amen, holy roller kind of thing — which I shouldn\u2019t say as a criticism — but it\u2019s not from that emotional overflow. It\u2019s just from that place of gratitude just for the awareness of the order and the separation of the human from the divine.<\/p>\n

Not that this level isn\u2019t real, but it\u2019s a made up reality. You know what I\u2019m saying? It\u2019s not real as Spirit is real on the other side. It\u2019s a different quality of real. It\u2019s almost like the ink blot world. You put on your costume and you do your thing because this is what you think you should do. This is what you believe. If you want to see Buddha at the end, he\u2019ll be there for you. If what you\u2019re looking for is the Christ, he\u2019ll be there for you. This is your creation in this life. Just acknowledging that we are creators.<\/p>\n

Say we want a red Cadillac and we don\u2019t get it and we think, well this doesn\u2019t work, I\u2019m not really a creator. Well, I remember J-R saying there\u2019s a place in Spirit that is filled with things that people pray for but they didn\u2019t hang in long enough for it to manifest. Which is a way of saying, “it all matters.” To keep in the loving and in the love energy. It matters. It does matter because it\u2019s all your creation.<\/p>\n

The trick is, you might be really good right now but that doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019ve been really good in all your creations, so you\u2019ve got to accept it all. I could have been Black Beard. Do I want to accept that? Not very much.\u00a0 But if that were the case, that was my creation, then “yes” I have to bring it into the loving, I have to welcome it in. You know…the prodigal son. Nothing can be outside of my creation. I can\u2019t leave anything out of all my creation. I\u2019m learning, that\u2019s my lesson, and my gift.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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