{"id":110640,"date":"2021-08-24T18:28:17","date_gmt":"2021-08-25T01:28:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/?p=110640"},"modified":"2024-01-11T10:43:15","modified_gmt":"2024-01-11T18:43:15","slug":"questions-answers-the-inner-consciousness-is-the-traveler-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/archives\/110640-questions-answers-the-inner-consciousness-is-the-traveler-part-3","title":{"rendered":"Questions &#038; Answers \u2013 The Inner Consciousness is the Traveler \u2013 Part 3"},"content":{"rendered":" \u00a0 \n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"> <em>John-Roger, 1975.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>This Q&amp;A with John-Roger is sourced from a live Q&amp;A with John-Roger at Prana, Los Angeles, June 5, 1975.\u00a0 It is edited for use on the New Day Herald website.\u00a0 We recommend listening to the original.\u00a0 It was previously released as a September 2016 SAT seminar \u201c<em>Questions &amp; Answers \u2013 The Inner Consciousness is the Traveler<\/em>\u201d.\u00a0 If you are a <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/shop\/product\/soul-awareness-teachings-sat-12-month-subscription\/\"><strong>SAT subscriber<\/strong><\/a><strong>, you can purchase it in our <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/shop\/product\/questions-answers-the-inner-consciousness-is-the-traveler\/\"><strong>online store<\/strong><\/a><strong> or access it through <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/media\/videos\/show\/6164412308001-September-2016-SAT-%7C-Questions-%26-Answers---The-Inner-Consciousness-is-the-Traveler-%28June-%2775%29\/?search=inner+consciousness+is+the+traveler&amp;order=relevance+DESC%2C+created_at+DESC&amp;position=1\"><strong>That Which Is<\/strong><\/a><strong> online.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Question:\u00a0 What exactly is it that blocks energy and how do you get rid of the blocks?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0 It&#8217;s contraction of consciousness.\u00a0 I spoke last night about how doubling up the fist stops things.\u00a0 It\u2019s a state of contraction, a state of separation, a state of individualization and exemption.\u00a0 People say, \u201cThat doesn&#8217;t apply to me.\u201d\u00a0 That&#8217;s baloney.\u00a0 It applies to everybody.\u00a0 It&#8217;s like saying, \u201cNo I won&#8217;t die.\u201d\u00a0 Yes you will.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0\u00a0 If God is infinite and totally aware, does that mean we will forever, toward infinity, become more aware of ourselves?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Your syllogism is incorrect.\u00a0 God, by vocabulary terminology,\u00a0 is confined to that term.\u00a0 But truth as a universal flow becomes infinite. But the infiniteness of it is non-boredom.\u00a0 It&#8217;s continually renewed, continually bright and up.\u00a0 Continually.\u00a0 And so there is a state of continual awareness flow as you move into other levels of God&#8217;s conscious body.\u00a0 It may not be in this level, what we call the Earth, but it could be into another level.\u00a0 And you maintain the consciousness of freedom as it is present here and now.\u00a0 Yes, everything is here.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0 Where does the impatience come from to hurry up to be awakened, to be clear, to know spiritually?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 The illusions regarding spirituality perpetrates the impatience of what we think it should or shouldn&#8217;t be. It\u2019s based upon conceptualizations that we have conditioned into us from this lifetime and others going back, that are still as impregnated in consciousness as though we did them all right now.\u00a0 All billion lifetimes, so to speak, right now are present. And you are having to handle all those diversifications now.\u00a0 The impatience to hurry up is just an illusionary field. It is all present, now.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question continued:\u00a0 What is a good way to handle impatience or anything else when it comes in?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Move physically into the routine manifestation of anything.\u00a0 Get up and go shower.\u00a0 Go collate downstairs.\u00a0 Go do routine things.\u00a0 Cancel your great big trip to the beach.\u00a0 Do routine things.\u00a0 It will end it real fast.<\/p>\n<p>Any time you&#8217;re in a state of confusion, aberration, abnormality, move physically.\u00a0 Get up and move physically.\u00a0 That&#8217;s why we have that.\u00a0 That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re recognizing it &#8211; because of this physical thing.\u00a0 And if this physical thing is moving, the energy will be flowing and circulating.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not in a state of contraction as it is sitting held and confined.\u00a0 Then there is no such thing as impatience.\u00a0 There is only dynamic energy present.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question continued: Does that also apply to boredom?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 It applies it to everything.\u00a0 Boredom is thinking you are more than you are, and you should be getting more than what you\u2019ve got.\u00a0 But you&#8217;re getting exactly what you deserve.\u00a0 People like to think, \u201cYeah, but I should be exempt.\u201d\u00a0 That doesn&#8217;t work.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0\u00a0 In the dream state if you&#8217;ve met up with the Traveler and you want to remember that when you come back to the physical, how would you really know that was the Traveler or not?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 If it applies to the physical level, you work it out physically.\u00a0 If what you are doing did not apply to this level, there&#8217;s no reference point to this level, so there is nothing you can do with it.\u00a0 If you&#8217;re working under the Traveler Consciousness, you&#8217;re not going to be overtaken by anything anyway.\u00a0 If the negative power is present, it&#8217;s still functioning under the Traveler Consciousness. And you&#8217;ll still be brought the lessons of purification and unfoldment.\u00a0 But you&#8217;re being given it in divine order rather than helter-skelter according to your own level of confusion.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s laid out in a most beautiful way and it&#8217;s all individual. We do that because we have the consciousness of understanding to see what somebody else is doing.\u00a0 We can understand that vicariously without necessarily doing it ourself. And so we stay out of it.\u00a0 If you see a person, for example, get their head cut off, you realize those things don&#8217;t work too well.\u00a0 And so you&#8217;ll keep your head on your shoulders.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a vicarious fulfillment.\u00a0 You think, \u201cHey, I don&#8217;t need that.\u201d\u00a0 You may see a guy get drunk and walk out in the street and he gets hit by a car.\u00a0 You think, \u201cI&#8217;m not going to get drunk and walk out in the street where cars are.\u201d\u00a0 That&#8217;s vicarious fulfillment.\u00a0 You&#8217;ll understand that.\u00a0 However, you may never were going to do that anyway, but now you know you&#8217;re not because you&#8217;re watching it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question: \u00a0How can I tell the difference between magnetic healing and spiritual healing?\u00a0 And if I&#8217;m going to be involved how will I know the difference?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0 Spiritual healing, spiritual Holy Spirit Light, comes in on the magnetic light, but the magnetic light does not necessarily contain the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 So you qualify it. You qualify it for your highest good.\u00a0 And if it&#8217;s magnetic to do it, that&#8217;s fantastic. It will be done.\u00a0 And if it is another force of energy that is necessary, then it will be done.<\/p>\n<p>For you to personally qualify it is a waste of time because you can&#8217;t see it and you can&#8217;t smell it and you can&#8217;t hear it.\u00a0 You&#8217;re at the mercy of your own ignorance.\u00a0 So therefore you just place the thing in a qualification for your highest good. And whatever takes place you move on it.<\/p>\n<p>You can say, \u201cGod&#8217;s will be done.\u201d\u00a0 If you don&#8217;t like it and you say, \u201cThe hell with that\u201d\u00a0 then you&#8217;re against God&#8217;s will and then you&#8217;re a son of perdition.\u00a0 Then you\u2019d better watch out.\u00a0 Sons of perdition go back through the muck and the mire and the slime over and over and over and over.\u00a0 Oh, they&#8217;ll make it, too, in the end but, my God, the end is so far away for them.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it&#8217;s enough to live on this planet without hope.\u00a0 But hope rises eternally.\u00a0 It keeps sort of youthful like, \u201cHmmm.\u00a0 Maybe I will get a date.\u201d\u00a0 But you&#8217;re never going to.\u00a0 But that&#8217;s okay.\u00a0 You keep hoping and hoping.\u00a0 You die.\u00a0 You say, \u201cWell, at least it took me through this life.\u201d\u00a0 Sons of perdition don&#8217;t have hope.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0\u00a0 In line with that, the way I interpret what you&#8217;re saying is that the Soul is being made to pay for something that the lower self did?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Looking at it in those terms, you&#8217;re saying the Soul had to pay as a negative quality.\u00a0 But I think it&#8217;s very beautiful that the Soul has the ability to pay for all these things a billion times over than what you&#8217;ve even put out up to this point.<\/p>\n<p>So what is the concept of payment?\u00a0 It is a balancing of action for unfoldment in this level of God&#8217;s realm.\u00a0 And the Soul has that ability and has that wealth and wherewithal, because all in God&#8217;s Kingdom is at its hands.\u00a0 So therefore it&#8217;s only paying itself through any form that appears.\u00a0 It is only giving to itself through whatever action takes place. And it is only experiencing itself through any dimension that is present.\u00a0 So therefore, how can it possibly be a negative quality?\u00a0 It&#8217;s a beautiful fantastic experience.\u00a0 But the attitude has to be changed.<\/p>\n<p>Some people say, \u201cI\u2019ve got to pay for this and I\u2019ve got to pay for that.\u201d\u00a0 That&#8217;s really too bad for you.\u00a0 You should have a pleasure of giving, of paying.\u00a0 That means you received.<\/p>\n<p>Some people say, \u201cOh God, dirty dishes in the sink.\u201d\u00a0 I say, \u201cYou should bow down and be thankful. You just got through eating.\u201d\u00a0 You know, it&#8217;s a sign.\u00a0 And now you&#8217;re going to clean up what you&#8217;ve been doing.\u00a0 What&#8217;s wrong with that?\u00a0 The time to really get upset is when there are no dirty dishes in the sink.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0 What level must a person consciously be working on in order to break the wheel of incarnation?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0 They must be living within the consciousness of the Traveler.\u00a0 If they&#8217;re living within that consciousness and they have only come into this seminar this evening and they say, \u201cThis is it.\u00a0 I&#8217;m going,\u201d and they die on the spot, they are immediately into that level of not coming back.<\/p>\n<p>And now we&#8217;re going to qualify that. And that&#8217;s if that would be for their highest good.\u00a0 But it might be better for them to come back because this is a springboard to a higher level of consciousness.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a beautiful springboard.<\/p>\n<p>But the higher level of consciousness is also present here, it&#8217;s just veiled.\u00a0 I would imagine that a person who is consciously in the Movement for two or three years and knows the teachings, and has the responsibility of living the satsang in the ashram, and being involved with people on a day-to-day living basis, and is in this spiritual flow of energy, and yet they play Mickey Mouse games, I would really have great concern for them regardless of what level they&#8217;re on.\u00a0 They may be involved in a spiritual community, but it&#8217;s really going to be tough luck for them.\u00a0 That isn&#8217;t to, you know, be stated as a negative tone.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a positive tone.\u00a0 It&#8217;s like, \u201cGet out of what you are doing.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question: Can a person still have karma in the physical world and still break the wheel of eighty-four reincarnation cycle?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Of course not.\u00a0 As soon as you have a physical body you have the karma of a body, immediately.<\/p>\n<p>People who are working under the Traveler Consciousness, this karmic energy is pulled up and just held aside.\u00a0 As they work it out it&#8217;s pulled aside and it&#8217;s held for a person, because at some point when they leave the body and they enter into the Soul, they then will dissolve their own negative expression. They free everything into the positive just by looking at it and saying, \u201cWow, thank God that all happened.\u201d\u00a0 And it can be placed immediately in its proper perspective, because it&#8217;s not bad.\u00a0 It never has been and it never will be.<\/p>\n<p>Once we can look at our life and say, \u201cHey, this is good, this is fine,\u201d and keep the whole thing going, there is no karma involved out there.\u00a0 But the physical body is a karma.\u00a0 It\u2019s an action, a duty, for fulfillment.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0 Because there&#8217;s a Traveler in this world and you&#8217;re here, is there a pretty good shot of getting out of here?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0 If there isn&#8217;t, there is no need for me to be here.\u00a0 That&#8217;s my job.\u00a0 That is the prime job.\u00a0 I have other jobs, too.\u00a0 But let&#8217;s say if you are going to subscribe to the Discourses to get under the spiritual protection, and come to the seminars, and donate your three bucks, and then complain and pick on people, and beat up on your wife, and steal gas, you&#8217;ve already placed yourself out of it, because money is not the medium that&#8217;s going on here.<\/p>\n<p>The medium is the medium.\u00a0 Do you get that?\u00a0 What you&#8217;re doing is what you&#8217;re doing.\u00a0 It isn&#8217;t the money.\u00a0 That has nothing to do with it.\u00a0 That is just a discipline for consciousness.\u00a0 Discipline is not a negative.\u00a0 Discipline for freedom &#8211; to be free in it.<\/p>\n<p>If you can take and give somebody a hundred dollars just like that, you&#8217;ve already demonstrated you&#8217;re absolutely free from all money and all bondage to it.\u00a0 But if you can&#8217;t, that&#8217;s another level you&#8217;re confined to.<\/p>\n<p>There are many that we call guru teachers &#8212; who are functioning directly under the Mystical Traveler Consciousness in what we call another school.\u00a0 And it&#8217;s going to be reached just as easy through them.\u00a0 They have it within on a subtle level, or they are here in a subtle level.\u00a0 Yes, we know each other.\u00a0 I may know them more than they know me, but we&#8217;re aware of each other.\u00a0 It\u2019s all entirely present.\u00a0 There is no processing involved.\u00a0 It just is. This could be Mount Olympus just as easy as Prana.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0 How do I know if it\u2019s my inner master that\u2019s answering the question?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Sometimes you&#8217;ll be getting a question about Spirit and then you get an immediate answer right away. And you want to know where that answer came from.\u00a0 Is it any good and who speaks it.<\/p>\n<p>You could care less if you can&#8217;t do anything with it.\u00a0 If it&#8217;s something dealing with the physical world, you have to lean in and check it out.\u00a0 If I tell you something here, and you just believe it without checking it out, you&#8217;re going to get everything you deserve. And if it&#8217;s good, that&#8217;s fine.\u00a0 I may tell you something just to slap you awake, to knock you, as they say, into the middle of next week.\u00a0 If it works, if you validate it, what difference does it make who tells it to you?\u00a0 You&#8217;re not going to know anyway.\u00a0 Some people say, \u201cWell I won&#8217;t do it unless Jesus tells me.\u201d\u00a0 Alright it&#8217;s Jesus who&#8217;s told you. Now what can you do with it?\u00a0 \u201cNothing.\u201d\u00a0 So you couldn&#8217;t do it anyway.\u00a0 Get the idea?\u00a0 And if you&#8217;re using it to go bet on the horses, good luck.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question:\u00a0\u00a0 What part of us makes the choice to not travel that path or to travel that path?\u00a0 And why wouldn&#8217;t we, or why would we, not make a choice of traveling a path like that?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Whenever a person comes into the consciousness of the Traveler &#8212;\u00a0 either by someone speaking about it, hearing a tape, being in the physical presence &#8212; usually at that point, probably that night while they are asleep, they are taken into another realm of Light which is the Casual realm. And they are shown through the Akashic records all the things that they have been involved with.\u00a0 This may take more than one night.\u00a0 It may take six months.\u00a0 But this is going on at night because in the waking state we won&#8217;t pull that energy. Because people need it to bumble through life and you can\u2019t take it from them.<\/p>\n<p>Then when they see this and they come back, they impress the lower levels of consciousness of what it is they&#8217;re going to be working with.<\/p>\n<p>Then when they come into it and they see it, they can&#8217;t handle that and they move from it.\u00a0 Some people, because of lack of awareness, find freedom a very hard quality to handle.\u00a0 So is liberation.\u00a0 Since they know what it is, they move back out into the world to get straightened out by other people, before they come back in again.\u00a0 And people will straighten them out.\u00a0 They&#8217;ll do it to you.\u00a0 They&#8217;ll set you straight every time.\u00a0 Everybody is always going to give somebody a piece of their mind.<\/p>\n<p>Then that consciousness moves.\u00a0 It&#8217;s the same part of you that sometimes has a lot of faith and trust in the Traveler Consciousness and other times doubts it.\u00a0 It&#8217;s the same quality.\u00a0 But it doesn&#8217;t bother me because I understand the quality.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question continued:\u00a0 Why isn&#8217;t the memory brought back consciously?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John-Roger:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Often it&#8217;s because of the levels, the way we&#8217;ve disciplined our freedom and the way we&#8217;ve been brought up in this lifetime, and the things we&#8217;ve been told to believe or not believe, or to disbelieve.<\/p>\n<p>We then categorically move against this awareness of God.\u00a0 Primarily, religions are sitting waiting for God to appear, for Christ to come down, for this energy to come to us.\u00a0 And that&#8217;s primarily what the teaching of the planet has been, a waiting, passive attitude.<\/p>\n<p>So therefore there is no energy placed into remembrance.\u00a0 So therefore why would you remember these things?\u00a0 There is no energy placed into it.\u00a0 The energy is placed here for passivity, for moving out into the world, for doing good, for living good, but not for remembrance.<\/p>\n<p>We must remember to be here at this point in consciousness.\u00a0 Then as we get older we are quite startled to find out there are other aspects of life other than this religious approach, maybe we go into metaphysics. That will include a lot of things where we start taking more conscious, volitional control of our life, and we move into things as a full representative of who we are, saying, \u201cI will do this.\u00a0 I will be responsible.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We start looking into the higher form of consciousness.\u00a0 We are attempting, primarily, to pull the energy from the High Self down through the body, because most of the metaphysical groups are only aware of this level.\u00a0 This is why we are conditioned not to remember.<\/p>\n<p>A person may be thinking, \u201cGee I&#8217;m having sex with everybody around.\u00a0 I wish I could end the pattern.\u201d\u00a0 And they try to break it and they find out it is back on their head.\u00a0 Or, the person who is drug addicted or smoking or into a lot of things may say, \u201cI&#8217;ll quit that,\u201d and it&#8217;s comes right back on their head and they can&#8217;t.\u00a0 The desire they don&#8217;t want is back on their head.\u00a0 They&#8217;re addicted.\u00a0 Their addictions are eating them up.<\/p>\n<p>At some point it will eat them up completely because they&#8217;re so contracted that it will wither and die.\u00a0 The body may die along with it.\u00a0 It&#8217;s called grieving.\u00a0 But that denies the next expressions coming to you that may be so much greater than that thing you&#8217;re grieving for.\u00a0 So much greater, that you&#8217;d kick yourself for thinking, \u201cWhy didn&#8217;t I just move and get that?\u00a0 That was really what I was after all along.\u201d\u00a0 But then confusion is really funny.<\/p>\n<p>When I speak of meditation I am talking about spiritual exercises unqualifiedly all the time.<\/p>\n<p>But spiritual exercises are not necessarily the sitting down and chanting of your tone all the time.\u00a0 There are many forms of spiritual exercises.\u00a0 While I am here with you I&#8217;ve been doing spiritual exercises all evening with you &#8212; not just verbally.\u00a0 Other levels.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a state of forcing yourself to be aware.<\/p>\n<p>When you awaken yourself at 2:30 in the morning there&#8217;s a chance you&#8217;re going to be closer in contact with that other level that knows of the dreams. And you could start pulling them across at that time because there is less confusion in the mind, depending on what time you went to sleep.\u00a0 If you went to sleep at two fifteen it doesn&#8217;t apply.\u00a0 If you&#8217;re in bed before midnight it does.<\/p>\n<p>If you are busy working and involved in these things, it will be present upon you.\u00a0 You wake up and you say, \u201cAh yeah.\u201d\u00a0 You start to then see the confusion of what you&#8217;ve carried over from the day before or that day, and you are working on it.<\/p>\n<p>The interesting thing is that if you want to find out where you are in your levels of spirituality, keep track of what you dream about and that will tell you where you are.\u00a0 And if you&#8217;re dreaming about and having wet dreams, or food, or this, or that, or my job, or my car, or my husband, or my wife, when you&#8217;re dead, you&#8217;re going to incarnate back and I don&#8217;t care what realm you&#8217;re in.\u00a0 You&#8217;re going to pull yourself right back.\u00a0 It will be upon you.<\/p>\n<p>But if it&#8217;s hurt feelings and this and that, and waking up with empty feelings and loneliness, it&#8217;s sad.\u00a0 It&#8217;s very sad.\u00a0 If you&#8217;re going to give pity, then certainly those people need a lot of it.\u00a0 Those people who are involved in higher consciousness have dreams of the Traveler moving into these other realms and working out karmic things.\u00a0 It lets them see the level of progression in which they&#8217;re involved and they then know they&#8217;re involved in the working out of it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Baruch Bashan<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/archives\/110605-questions-answers-the-inner-consciousness-is-the-traveler-part-1\">Click here<\/a> to read <em>Questions &amp; Answers \u2013 The Inner Consciousness is the Traveler &#8212; Part 1<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a 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