{"id":111611,"date":"2023-08-02T13:08:14","date_gmt":"2023-08-02T20:08:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/?p=111611"},"modified":"2023-08-02T14:36:49","modified_gmt":"2023-08-02T21:36:49","slug":"a-message-from-john-roger-from-1979","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/archives\/111611-a-message-from-john-roger-from-1979","title":{"rendered":"A John-Roger Message from 1979"},"content":{"rendered":"

We refer to loving not in terms of lust, but in terms of not hurting yourself and not hurting anyone else \u2014 and taking care of yourself so you can take care of other people.\u00a0 That’s what we refer to as loving.\u00a0 To be in a place where you love everyone is self-realization.\u00a0 Loving them is actualizing.<\/em> – John-Roger<\/p>\n

This message from John-Roger was first published in the Insight Newsletter, May 1979.<\/strong><\/p>\n

For centuries now, we\u2019ve been trying to answer questions that all humanity asks, like \u201cWhy are we here?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cWhat\u2019s the reason for all these things that go on in this world?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cIs there anything more than just this world?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cIs there anything that lives after this?\u201d\u00a0 If we can answer these questions, then we can find freedom here \u2013 but we can\u2019t have liberation until we no longer have to come back onto the planet.\u00a0\u00a0 My job is to bring freedom and liberation \u2013 but not through any dogmas or religious creeds or anything like that.\u00a0 It\u2019s brought through experience.\u00a0 You can experience sitting in a chair.\u00a0 These other experiences, even though invisible, are just as real and can move you much more deeply than if someone were to give you thousands of dollars. \u00a0This force that moves us invisibly is what we refer to as the Soul.<\/p>\n

If we want to grow physically, we exercise the physical body by means of lifting weights, gymnastics, etc.\u00a0 To grow astrally, we exercise the imagination \u2014 we learn how to visualize, or image in, what we want.\u00a0 Those two types of growth become very easy for us here on the physical planet because we spend a great deal of the time running around and daydreaming.\u00a0 To grow emotionally, we get involved in things like anxieties, depressions, happiness, joy and laughing.\u00a0 Falling in love, falling out of love, being disappointed, feelings of adventure \u2014 these experiences allow us to grow in the emotions.\u00a0 To develop the mind or the mental area, we may go to school…and hopefully we grow mentally there.\u00a0 Usually we don’t.\u00a0 We learn rigid forms of how to repeat back information.\u00a0 We don’t usually learn how to really think.\u00a0 After we get out of school, we may learn how to think.\u00a0 Sometimes that’s too late.<\/p>\n

But, because we have a Spirit, we can make up for lost time by developing the strength of Spirit through spiritual exercises or affirmations, the same way we can build up the mind, the emotions and the body through exercises.\u00a0 These can be learned by anyone, but they can’t be done by anyone.\u00a0 Anyone can learn the techniques, like anyone can pick up a pencil.\u00a0 But that doesn’t mean you\u2019ll have good handwriting.\u00a0 Here in the physical, we just present the ideas as an educational format, and the person plays back the information to see if they heard correctly.\u00a0 But there’s no way to know here physically that you will do it correctly.\u00a0 We can go up to the Spirit and look at what you’re doing to see if you\u2019re doing it correctly.\u00a0 Once you<\/em> have learned that, you then have what we call self-realization.<\/p>\n

We’re going to deal with three ideas now: conceptualization, self-realization and actualization.\u00a0 Conceptualization is where we learn to visualize.\u00a0 Realization takes place once we’ve done the conceptualizing and can move through the spiritual exercises to Soul \u2014 then we say we’re self-realized.\u00a0 A person could lie, though, and you wouldn’t know here in the physical world.\u00a0 Even one self-realized person can’t know if another is, just like one person telling a lie may not know if another person is lying.\u00a0 I could sit here and say I have self-realization, and there is no way you could know.\u00a0 I could lie to you, but what difference would it be to you anyway?\u00a0 That’s the key that we deal with; not me \u2014 you.\u00a0 I know what I can do.\u00a0 I also know what you can do, because I go beyond self-realization into self-actualization.<\/p>\n

A person who is actualizing can be seen doing it.\u00a0 Anybody can know they can do that, because it involves certain types of action.\u00a0 Self-actualization deals in the invisible, but it can be seen in action \u2014 for instance, telling people things about them and their personalities that other people might not know, things that often the individuals themselves don’t know until you tell them.\u00a0 Then they say, “Oh, yeah.”\u00a0 To be self-actualized, we have to have gone through physical exercises, astral exercises, emotional exercises, unconscious or etheric exercises and into self-realization \u2014 and that’s what we call Soul consciousness.\u00a0 That’s freedom.\u00a0 You are free inside of you, so that you don’t get trapped by other people, but you’re still not free from the planet.\u00a0 To get free from the planet, you have to live in the Soul, which we refer to as being centered.\u00a0 It doesn’t mean being rich, walking on water, raising the dead or anything like that.\u00a0 It just means knowing who you are \u2014 the self, the Soul or what is referred to as the personal God.\u00a0 We can do the same thing without calling it any name, just following the techniques.<\/p>\n

Not all lives should be lived the same way because we all have different things to learn and accomplish, so we all do things differently.\u00a0 In Insight Seminars, the one thing we have in common is loving.\u00a0 We refer to loving not in terms of lust, but in terms of not hurting yourself and not hurting anyone else \u2014 and taking care of yourself so you can take care of other people.\u00a0 That’s what we refer to as loving.\u00a0 To like everyone is a good concept \u2014 that’s conceptualizing.\u00a0 To be in a place where you love everyone is self-realization.\u00a0 Loving them is actualizing.<\/p>\n

Everything that happens to me or you, as individuals, we either allow, create or promote.\u00a0 We are the creator.\u00a0 To blame anybody else is ignorance.\u00a0 So our main job is to know ourself, and to that self be true.\u00a0 But on this planet nothing is perfect except change, and change happens perfectly \u2014 not according to our idea of perfection, but just according to what happens.\u00a0 It declares its own perfection whether we like it or not.\u00a0 It would be smart to like it, because that’s what’s going on.\u00a0 What’s going on is reality.\u00a0 If we’re at odds in what we think about it, then that is our illusion.\u00a0 We call it sickness.\u00a0 To prove our illusion, we get headaches, backaches, depressions and even die \u2014 thereby showing we’re right, dead right.\u00a0 That’s a wrong approach.<\/p>\n

The correct approach is to get with what’s going on.\u00a0 Then we have some sense of well-being.\u00a0 The habit pattern may be that because things change and appear to do so erratically, we are always upset.\u00a0 The way we grow, then, is to take everything that comes toward us, regardless of whether it’s “good” or “bad”, and use it to our advantage.\u00a0 If there is not enough food, we fast and cleanse the body.\u00a0 If we are at a movie that’s really \u201cbad\u201d, we do spiritual exercises, or repeat affirmations.\u00a0 If we are talking to someone and they don’t seem to understand what we are doing, we use the time to study them \u2014 to see how they are living their life \u2014 and if anything is workable, we take that and use it.\u00a0 The things that don’t work, we let go.\u00a0 We have to know the difference.\u00a0 We see if it works, and if it doesn’t, we do something else.\u00a0 Trial and error.\u00a0 Once we find something that works, we master that.\u00a0 Once we have mastered that, we don’t have to think about it, and we live freely.\u00a0 Then we have joy and happiness. \u00a0If an accident comes our way, we use it to our advantage.\u00a0 Sometimes that’s difficult and takes a great deal of creative imagination to move everything so that you can use it for your advantage, or neutralize the effect upon you by realizing that, once it’s happened, you can’t do anything about it by thinking about it or re-living it in your mind.\u00a0 Your attitude is the key.\u00a0 The correct approach is to get with what’s going on.\u00a0 But a horizontal change is not really progress; just change.\u00a0 Sometimes a change may not be working for you.\u00a0 You might go from eating a lot of food to using drugs.\u00a0 Or from smoking a lot of cigarettes to drinking a lot of alcohol.\u00a0 We must do the perpendicular.\u00a0 On the bottom we have the concept.\u00a0 On the horizon we have self-realization.\u00a0 Above the horizon is the perpendicular \u2014 actualization \u2014 when you actually do it.\u00a0 With actualization comes freedom.<\/p>\n

We are all free to different levels.\u00a0 Some of us are free because we are 21.\u00a0 Some are free because we are out of school.\u00a0 Some of us are free because we have lots of money.\u00a0 We may think that to be free means being able to do anything we want to…and getting away with it.\u00a0 That\u2019s not freedom \u2014 that’s indulgence and irresponsibility.\u00a0 That’s like wanting to eat all the food you want and not get fat.\u00a0 It doesn’t work that way.\u00a0 You don’t prove your freedom by how many things you can do.\u00a0 Often, freedom is not what you live with, but what you can live without.\u00a0 If two people live in a city \u2014 one in a big house and the other in poverty \u2014 and they are forced from their homes and into the street, which one would get along best?\u00a0 Here you would find which one is free.\u00a0 Perhaps the one who has the big beautiful house has become weak and soft and can’t live out on the streets while the one who has practically lived on the streets in poverty gets along well from day to day.<\/p>\n

Everyone has the ability to go back inside using these techniques, and live in that balanced center within.\u00a0 Doing<\/em> it might be a whole other story because you have set aside time.\u00a0 It’s similar to learning the multiplication tables \u2014 you had to set aside time and do it.\u00a0 Once you memorized it, you could call up to mind what you wanted, and that left you free within the multiplication discipline. Discipline doesn’t bring rigidity and hurt.\u00a0 Discipline brings freedom.\u00a0 If an authority made us stand in a room and told us the one who stands up straight the longest would be freed \u2014 who do you think would do it?\u00a0 The untrained, or someone who had training in the military to stand up for long hours?\u00a0 The one who had been disciplined.\u00a0 There is your freedom.\u00a0 It’s not torture or punishment, but it is the willingness to learn that makes the difference \u2014 and that\u2019s our attitude.<\/p>\n

We can at any point decide whether a disappointment is going to destroy us or build our strength.\u00a0 We can gain strength in our mind and our emotions by being tried.\u00a0 We have to prove ourselves \u2014 not to others but to ourselves \u2014 because we are our worst judge.\u00a0 We have no right to judge unless we have really done our very best \u2014 and it’s hard to know of the best here in this world.\u00a0 Consequently, we can’t judge here!\u00a0 We have to go into the Spirit to see clearly what it is.\u00a0 Then there is no need to judge because you are free of it.\u00a0 It seems to be like double talk, but that’s the way it is when you listen to the heart.\u00a0 When you listen with the mind you have to do the first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade, etc.\u00a0 When you listen with the heart you do the first grade, third grade, eighth grade, graduate.\u00a0 It’s called instant realization.\u00a0 That’s of no value unless you can teach it to somebody else.\u00a0 Otherwise you can become very lonely by your realized self.\u00a0 That loneliness is one of the things that kills us.\u00a0 We just don’t find people on the planet physically who can be companionable to us the way we really want \u2014 they can’t read our minds, nor sniff out our feelings.\u00a0 But we think they should know \u2014 so we don’t tell them.\u00a0 It really can’t work that way.\u00a0 But if we love ourselves, we are fulfilled through the Spirit, and then all we do is let this love flow out to everyone.\u00a0 This, then, is the living love made manifest.<\/p>\n

Baruch Bashan,<\/p>\n

John-Roger<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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