{"id":15559,"date":"2015-07-16T16:38:59","date_gmt":"2015-07-16T23:38:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/?p=15559"},"modified":"2024-01-11T09:52:42","modified_gmt":"2024-01-11T17:52:42","slug":"an-interview-with-john-morton-100-living-and-dying-with-john-roger-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.msia.org\/newdayherald\/archives\/15559-an-interview-with-john-morton-100-living-and-dying-with-john-roger-part-2","title":{"rendered":"An Interview with John Morton | 100% Living and Dying with John-Roger | Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":" \u00a0 \n

Part 2 of a 2-Part Interview with John Morton | Spiritual Director of MSIA<\/strong><\/p>\n

Click Here To Read Part 1 of this Interview<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

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NDH:<\/strong> What are some keys for understanding how you work as the Traveler, and for relating to the Traveler inside?<\/p>\n

John Morton:<\/strong> I think that one of the ways that I work is that I just demonstrate my abundant ordinariness. J-R said it for himself, that he\u2019s an example of how if he can do it, anybody can do it. Well, there are a few of us who have seen him do a few things where we have no idea how he does that. But he also demonstrated a down-to-earth nature. I see myself as another version of that. I\u2019m very down-to-earth and then the Traveler does its thing, and when it\u2019s doing its thing it\u2019s also saying that you have a thing too, so don\u2019t rely on my thing, do your thing. Work your thing. It\u2019s constantly encouraging people, showing people by demonstration.<\/p>\n

I also think we\u2019re in a time when people have to drop agendas and prejudice, or pre-judgment. So if people are caught in any kind of prejudice, it\u2019s as if they get tripped up on the way to the Traveler. I know it\u2019s a broad stroke I just laid out. We need to self-determine the Traveler. You can\u2019t just believe it. You can have faith but you have to come into your own experience. So if I\u2019m involved it\u2019s because it\u2019s my free choice, I\u2019m choosing in full responsibility to do this and involve myself in it.<\/p>\n

And it\u2019s kind of tough for people because maybe they don\u2019t like his hair that way. What\u2019s the curly thing about? People actually did that. They got all hung up about the way J-R dressed, his mannerisms, his jokes (which were very blue at times). In a way he did these things that were jaw-dropping, where you\u2019d say that\u2019s not very spiritual. But if people can\u2019t get past the fact that I can do something like that and I\u2019m still the Traveler, then they\u2019re stuck and they need to realize that they let that hang them up. When you get into the Spirit there\u2019s no judgment. He said something like, \u201cI\u2019ve done it all so if you want to accuse me of any of the sins, OK I\u2019m a sinner, I did it. So if\u00a0your judgment is that if you did it at any time in your existence you\u2019re still guilty, then I\u2019m guilty.\u201d I saw that trip up person after person. They\u2019d find something they didn\u2019t like or agree with about J-R or about MSIA. They\u2019d get hung up over the font in a discourse, or the ink color or the paper.<\/p>\n

So what if the information is at a third grade level or it\u2019s unsophisticated? So what? Work it. There\u2019s a truth in there. I\u2019ve observed that over and over. So many people get caught before they even get started or check it out. They won\u2019t even try chanting, or they won\u2019t get the discourses because it\u2019s $100. It was $100 probably in 1983. We haven\u2019t raised our prices in 30-some years. If we were interested in money you\u2019d think we\u2019d raise our prices. It\u2019s 30 cents a day to be connected to something you may have been looking for in your entire existence. Why would you think that\u2019s a reason not to check it out?<\/p>\n

All these things are there to keep away the people who are not real or authentic. You have to come here and go for a direct experience. Even that is daunting at times, and on the inner levels it\u2019s really daunting. That\u2019s where the game intensifies with ever greater magnitude. If we have any fear of God or what we\u2019ve done in our past existence, or if we would deny it and say, \u201cOh I would never do such a thing,\u201d then you have to realize that you were probably the head of the club, the leader. You say, \u201cNo I wouldn\u2019t do that.\u201d But you did. And we need to just say, \u201cOK, that\u2019s part of where I come from. But I\u2019m not doing that anymore. I\u2019m letting that go, I\u2019m not in that anymore, I graduated.\u201d So can\u2019t you forget about that?<\/p>\n

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That\u2019s one of the basic teachings, that we have to learn how not to hold somebody\u2019s past against them. That was one of the lessons that Insight brought in, that people need to stop running somebody\u2019s past on them. You release it and forgive it, so even if they did do it, they get the benefit. We need to be more like that, of a forgiving nature. It\u2019s like, let me give you a new start. People think that\u2019s a setup, that they may betray or disappoint me again. And we say, \u201cYou\u2019re big enough.\u201d<\/p>\n

And maybe in some way it\u2019s worth it to give them some inspiration or an invitation to do better. Especially when nobody seems to want to be their friend. That\u2019s the opportunity to minister to somebody and say, \u201cthere but for the grace of God go I,\u201d and now it\u2019s your turn. Someone helped you when you were in that state and now it\u2019s your turn to help someone who\u2019s in the state you were in. I think that\u2019s one of the ways we get measured\u2014when we forgive someone and we have that karma come back around and we say, \u201cYou used to have that self-judgment toward yourself\u2014 that you were no good, or a liar or a cheat or a scumbag or something like that. And that\u2019s what they\u2019re calling this person. Are you going to be kind to them and not judge them, maybe reach out a hand to them when nobody would reach out a hand?\u201d That\u2019s the kind of charity I\u2019ve seen with J-R. He would take somebody that nobody else would want to be around and treat them kindly. He had that kind of compassion.<\/p>\n

NDH:<\/strong> What\u2019s it been like for you since J-R has passed? Have things changed for you?<\/p>\n

JM:<\/strong> They were changing before he passed. My view is that he was passing for quite a while. Something very powerful happened when he hurt his eye in 2004. For me, I experienced that he went through a passage like a death in that. You could say, was there a window open to the spirit? The way it happened he came close, by anyone\u2019s explanation, by falling downstairs and hitting his head really hard. He did puncture his eye, and the initial call from the doctors was to remove the eye. To put that into any kind of perspective, it\u2019s\u00a0a pretty close brush with death. For me, things were very different from that time on. In my experience J-R elevated his consciousness so that he was even more out of the body. Those of us who worked closely with him knew that was already the case a lot. Now it was even more so. And after his fall there were times when he was vividly present, vividly in the body for sure.<\/p>\n

But it was different. I think all of us who saw him physically could see something diminishing physically, such that at some point he passed from the body. Were there signs? Yes of course, and those could be measured by medical technology. So certainly in 2014 in some way J-R was passing. When he did pass, it was just the punctuation, the period at the end of the sentence.<\/p>\n

He was gone for a lot of 2014, and 2013 too. Physically my relationship with him was changing over the last several years, so I wasn\u2019t talking to him or seeing him as much\u2026which opened up the inner relationship. The inner thing moved from 90% to 100%. Do I miss him? Of course I miss him. But in some ways I was missing him for years because I didn\u2019t have the same physical closeness. I was traveling a lot when he wasn\u2019t traveling. I missed the time when we traveled together a lot.<\/p>\n

That had changed in the \u201890s when I got married and my children were born. But he was a member of our family so he was at dinner most every night that we were a family. So he was very much in the family while that was going on. Then as the kids got older things shifted\u2026and pretty much for about ten or fifteen years things were shifting. So when it finally happened last October, it wasn\u2019t that much of a shift on the physical.<\/p>\n

In some ways I was already grieving. That\u2019s how I look at it. Leigh could tell you the stories of how I missed J-R. I missed the physical, 10% part of that connection, the physical friendship. Everybody could argue for the \u201cposition\u201d that they were the closest to J-R. But for me it\u2019s not a position and I don\u2019t put a measurement on it. I don\u2019t clock it to see how much time I, or anyone, put in. The physical closeness was not as much, and things were changing, and it transformed in other ways. I needed to do what others were doing all along, which was to work it more spiritually and be less dependent physically. But I still look at it like I have that dependency because I do miss that part. If that was available to me right now, to see him physically, it would be like, \u201cWhere is he? I\u2019m going!\u201d<\/p>\n

But it comes to a place where we need to move on. When people would ask me what I was going to do when J-R passes, my answer was, \u201cI don\u2019t know.\u201d I left it open. My dedication was primarily with him, including physically. I knew that was powerful enough that when he was out of here physically it was possible that some part of me would be released with him. It was really possible, and I left that open. He had said as much\u2014that when he went physically, the next Traveler (and me specifically) might do anything. He doesn\u2019t have to stay involved with MSIA. He might form his own church or something. I looked at it like, \u201cOK those are possibilities, but why would I want to do that?\u201d And now that we\u2019re in it, I don\u2019t have any inclination whatsoever to go somewhere other than where I am with MSIA doing what I\u2019m doing as the Traveler.<\/p>\n

I look at it as \u201cI\u2019m in.\u201d If you ask, \u201cAre you committed, are you dedicated, are you devoted?\u201d the answer is, \u201cYes.\u201d The work isn\u2019t done\u2014the work that J-R did to bring a message and establish what he established spiritually\u2014because of the incarnation the Traveler and Preceptor consciousness came through his body, in his lifetime.<\/p>\n

And what did it do? I see a direct relationship, that he took what Jesus did, which is the Christ, and he expanded and amplified it. He moved it into a next round. There\u2019s no separation or disconnection. It\u2019s the same work. In a way it\u2019s as if J-R would also say that I leave you with my Spirit. In so many ways he said that\u2014I\u2019m always with you, my love enfolds you. There are many ways where you can find J-R saying that over and over, and the only way that J-R could say something like that is spiritually. It wouldn\u2019t be true physically. So if someone says, \u201cHe\u2019s gone, he\u2019s not with us now,\u201d we could say, \u201cWell, you\u2019re looking physically.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jesus the person couldn\u2019t say, \u201cWhen you\u2019ve seen me you\u2019ve seen the Father.\u201d He wasn\u2019t talking as some guy in a body. He was talking at a level where he was up in the Spirit. So go in the Spirit. That\u2019s who\u2019s speaking. But it\u2019s also speaking here. J-R\u2019s work was on that scale, and then some. I don\u2019t have any apologies for that. Jesus said as much: \u201cThis too you shall do and even greater.\u201d<\/p>\n

Some people say he was talking about those who were there at the time, and I say that John was pretty close. And J-R made it clear but he didn\u2019t speak about it very often. He said he was the consciousness of John, the one they called Beloved. J-R didn\u2019t make it a secret, but neither did he make it the issue, like \u201cI want you all to recognize this.\u201d But in so many ways he said, \u201cI am that. But I\u2019m also Roger.\u201d<\/p>\n

What is that? Was he on some other planet? Was John an incarnation or an influence? John was in a body but he didn\u2019t have to be born from a womb. Well, that\u2019s been said before in other places. It\u2019s not news. So when we see this, it\u2019s mysterious but then again if you listen to all the seminars and you start putting the puzzle together, at some point you can see that it was spoken. And I think that\u2019s what\u2019s going to happen over time. We\u2019re going to further reveal the teachings that are still being put out.<\/p>\n

He didn\u2019t say it all in one night, although there were occasions when it felt like he said it all in about 10 minutes. You can see it in \u201cChrist My Man for Eternity\u201d … click the below to watch video.<\/p>\n

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